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Titane (2021)

Erick: Hey, hi, this is the Eric and shaken, not scared VB podcast. Yeah. Back at you again, after a long time,

Vivi: after a terrible recording,

Erick: we know how to do these things. It’s been like what? 58 episodes.

Vivi: Who are you? What? Okay. I think that’s good.

Erick: Welcome back to the shake. And it scared podcast. See with you as always your hosts, Eric and VV. Today, we’re gonna be talking about the 20, 21 film to Tana directed by Julia now. But before we get into that, how are you? VV? Our

Vivi: lives are on fire.

Erick: Yay. This is

Vivi: fine. So much so that I think we’re going to do things a little differently today and just go straight into moving

Erick: and maybe for a minute, cause shit’s just not going to K guys. Right. It’s just hard to plan around things. We have Patrion listeners to a piece and we might not even make it by the end of this month, but we’re going to try, this is hard.

Yeah, we got this. We’re doing fine. The kids are doing fine. Elvira’s is like what the fuck’s happening? Loki’s like, this is normal.

Vivi: Yeah, he’s fine. We’re

Erick: not, my head hurts right now, so we don’t have creepy content. We don’t have comfort content cause there’s no time for that. as a listener, if you have some group of content or comfort content that you’d like to share with us, let us know just so that we can live vicariously through you.

Vivi: Yeah. I don’t know what’s happening in the world.

Erick: Gas prices are high. That’s boring. Yeah. Let’s not talk about those. I want to start walking to work. It’s like a six hour walk. That’s fine. We’re fat I started taking the stairs We work on the fourth floor and I just was like, this is my only physical activity that I’ll ever achieve for time on none. So peak health. Yeah. I do be running out of breath by the time that the fourth floor

still haven’t caught it.

Vivi: Good Lord.

Erick: we’re going to get into the drinks for today. I really wanted to make an oil change or something to do with motor oil. So did you, I think, yeah. I did find a motor oil drink or shot, I guess it’s like a three ounce shot that people typically make with Yeager, coconut rum, gold sugar, which is like cinnamon, schnapps, peppermint, schnapps.

I changed it up. I didn’t use coconut rum instead. I swapped it to make it thicker because I didn’t think that that consistency would be thick enough to be motor oil. I do a lot of oil changes in my life.

I know what it looks like. that drink was not that thick. So I wanted to make it thicker by using coconut cream instead. And I used regular rum. let’s try this oil change. I want to call it oil change.

The original is called motor oil. I’m calling it all change because I changed the recipe. Makes

Vivi: sense. Yes. But in the context of this movie, gross,

Erick: have always wondered what it tastes like,

Vivi: the drink or actual more actual motor oil, moral,

Erick: I can never say oil the same anymore after watching Portlandia.

Do you remember? Yeah. Moral oil all right, let’s try this.

Vivi: I’m not sure if you mentioned this, but you also added dye to it,

Erick: did it because how else will it be black? I added the coconut cream and it looked like something else. Motor oil, you know what I mean

Vivi: again, when you know what this movie’s about, strangely still works.

Erick: I’m nervous,

Vivi: bottoms up, taking this all

Erick: down in one giant.

It’s going to be gross.

Vivi: I don’t even have this much space in my mouth.

Erick: That’s actually not as bad as I thought I was going to be. The peppermint is so overpowering.

Vivi: Really? I got nothing but firewall,

Erick: It’s so overpowered by peppermint that I can’t even tell you what else is in here.

yeah, I see the aftertaste of fireball, it’s not gross. It’s

Vivi: decent. It looks way grosser than it tastes. Oh, the creams at the bottom.

Erick: the motor cream said Alexia,

What do you rate it?

Vivi: I thought it was going to be terrible.

I’ll give it a 2.5 out of five, because it’s a lot of flavors. It’s a process.

Erick: It’s like the Dr. Pepper of shots

Vivi: is, that’s a good way to describe it.

Erick: So what do you rate it? I rate it a 3.5. It’s not that bad. Come on. go get your oil change and enjoy some of these fun facts. It takes like 20 minutes. So that’s not how long these fun facts are gonna last,

Vivi: what takes like 20 minutes? Oh, it changes. Yes.

Erick: Sexually. So the foam, but I mean, yeah. Oh, okay.

Vivi: That’s what happens sexually. If you haven’t guessed yet, she fucks the car

Erick: It’s a story of love.

Vivi: It kind of is, but not for the fucking, the car part. Are you ready to give me these fun facts?

I

Erick: want to know what’s up with that baby. Julia de Corno I apologize. Cause I don’t know the correct pronunciation, became the second female director and the fourth woman to win the Palm or a con. film festival in 2021.

Vivi: I don’t know if that’s how that’s pronounced

Erick: ball knitwear, ponder palm blue. I mean, I’m assuming it’s an important one. I don’t watch gun film festival.

Vivi: How dare you not watch Every film festival out there.

Erick: Look, I didn’t go there. Okay. I didn’t go to France. I’m assuming this is in France.

Vivi: You didn’t award her her

Erick: award?

No, I didn’t, unfortunately.

Vivi: I think that’s pretty cool because I think I mentioned a few weeks back that I had seen RA, which was her first major film debut really loved it. Actually the main actress is in this film as well. She has a very interesting style. I actually want you to watch raw because I think you would recognize some of the things she does in her films.

Erick: Yeah. She said that she likes to sort of reimagine everything. That’s not status quo, but also when I was watching the, behind the scenes It sounds like it was really tough for her to deal with the feedback she got from Raul and the expectations set by RA that making this film became that much more difficult because she started to get in her head knowing that there was like these outside factors that were kind of watching her.

but I think I saw on one of her interviews that she was kind of like, it took me a minute to separate myself from that and then do what I wanted to do regardless of what people were expecting.

Vivi: and this movie is. Okay. So I think she delivered.

Erick: The themes are really cool. I think you did some like, what the fuck does it mean videos yeah.

Vivi: Cause we watched this and we were like, what the fuck is happening in this entire?

Erick: If you aren’t thinking of it in that perspective and you just watch it for what it is, you’re kind of like what the fuck.

But if you look for the themes, a lot of it makes sense.

Vivi: When I first watched it, it was our first watch together and we were just like so confused. I’m the one who wrote the notes for today. So watching it again, I kind of saw more themes pop up. It’s one of those, even though it’s so wild, you probably are like, I’m good.

I don’t think I need to see that again. You probably should see it again.

Erick: In many interviews, Julia has emphasized that aside from the film being shocking, it is a story about love and use it several themes, including those of thrillers, dramas, and comedies to express the bond between the characters of her film.

Even when little dialogue is used, there’s very little dialogue in this, especially from Alexia, because she has sang like a guy the whole time. Yay. Yay. Whatever that means.

Vivi: I could see how this film’s about love on your second watch.

Erick: Yeah, because it’s a redemption story, she didn’t get the love she was looking for from her father and that’s all she knew and she had to become self-sufficient she’s obviously a serial killer what happens to a person who maybe is a psychologically affected by their upbringing and how was their story redeemable given the experiences that they go through?

Vivi: You know, it’s funny.

I’m listening to you, knowing what you’re talking about, but if you’re a listener who has not seen this movie, you’re like she fucked a

Erick: car and she’s a serial killer. What are the old changes happening?

Vivi: Go watch this movie before listening to this episode, if that’s not

Erick: a given, don’t just listen to this episode and just be wildly taken back and then go watch the movie and then be wildly taken back again, and then come listen to the episode again.

Vivi: Yeah.

Erick: I saw an interview that Julia felt really passionate about, including the scene where a guy tries to assault Alexia.

After a show saying that when a man decides to do this, it never crosses their mind that they could be dealing with someone who can retaliate.

Vivi: I think that all the

Erick: time she says, and obviously it is a really upsetting fact that she felt was important to include something like that in the film.

Vivi: And that shouldn’t be why you don’t attack women.

Just don’t attack women.

Erick: I apologize as a guy that we are trash,

Vivi: Yeah. Because watching that scene, I knew immediately what was happening. It’s that kind of universal fear when you’re a chick of she’s walking to her car alone at night and this dude is starting to chase her and she’s trying to get away.

Like I guess we should talk about this movie, but she wasn’t trying to kill him. He kinda, I mean,

Erick: he looked for it and he was begging for it. He was asking for it.

Fucking asshole. It’s so sad because we go to conventions a lot too. And I’m like, I wonder how many times people actually endure that? Like at shows, you know, anyway, we’ll be at ACN and

Vivi: he can beat us up there.

Erick: Which your lack of deodorant, it looks like you’re up for a speed run.

Vivi: Oh my God. This movie so insane for a speed run.

Erick: Do you want to do it or are we not ready for that?

Vivi: We’re never ready for that. Okay, cool. Did we add

Erick: this to our show? don’t know. It was fun. The first time analysis, stressful.

Maybe what we should do is just like, dude speed runs when we have guests on and then just like save the listeners, the whole, like us just being alive.

And then she died

Vivi: and I run it nice then.

Erick: Yeah. And it’s a horror show. What the fuck do you

Vivi: expect should make t-shirts let’s say, and then everybody died then where’s

Erick: it. Where’d you buy that? I totally buy that. Would you buy that listener? All right. Ready? I guess. So here we go. Actually, I think it’s my turn, but let’s just continue anyway. Ready? 1, 2, 3, go

Vivi: start over again. Cause I’m not over the fact that it might be.

Erick: One, two.

Vivi: We open on a girl in the car with her dad.

And she’s like annoying her dad so much that he crashes and she bust her head open. It has to get a plate put in her head. We flashed forward and she’s like 30 years old and she’s like a dancer at car shows. And um, she’s really good at it. And one night she’s on her way back to her car. And a dude, a fan starts chasing her and he assaults her pretty much and she kills him and we find out that she goes to shower to wash all the blood off and she fucks the car.

And then um, she’s kind of just a serial killer because she’s going on dates with people and she’s murders everyone in an attack in an entire house. And then she’s on the run. And then she’s like trying to leave at a train station or an airport. I don’t freaking know. And her wander posters everywhere.

So she has like the idea to become a missing kid. And she like fucks herself up to be that missing kid. And she meets this dude who like is the data, this kid. And they have a great relationship. And then she like is pregnant with the car’s baby. And then she gives birth to the car. And like, the dad has to take over the baby because

Erick: there you done.

Are you done? Okay. Well, you didn’t make it if you weren’t on because she also doesn’t give birth to a car, a car baby. She is birth to a Volkswagen. I mean, you said she gives birth to a beetle. punches the fuck out of Vincent she’s like pointed bugging.

Vivi: I still have half the shot. So

Erick: I’ll just, I don’t have a shot.

I’m going to take a drink of wine. Like the

Vivi: classic

Erick: immediately available.

Vivi: mine should always be immediately

Erick: available. We’re drinking podcasts. Okay guys, don’t

Vivi: judge. Do you like that? Like millennial mom joke. I made about wine.

Erick: It should always be on hand. Yeah, just the holster.

Vivi: Are we the generation that made that?

Do we have so much of a high functioning alcoholic thing going that we need accessories to keep alcohol on us at all times the holster? Yeah. There was like, remember there was like the bangle that you could put booze in. There was like a purse. There’s a wine bra.

Erick: What? Yeah, I need that. I mean the wine bro.

Yeah. Support emotionally and physically. Hmm, Hmm, Hmm. Hmm. Maybe that’s my medic.

Vivi: Don’t have a wine bra. Yes. Makes sense.

Before we get into what I am DB said about this movie, we chose this movie actually to cover earlier in the month, but because our lives were in such chaos, we are now getting to it at the end of the month, we were actually supposed to cover the Crow for Eric’s birthday.

Oh yeah. Fuck. Which will probably come out the first week of April now. Yes. But we wanted to cover this movie for obvious reasons. It being that it is a female director and a female lead. and it is still international women’s

Erick: month. Yes. We love women and love women directors, actresses, everything that you do, whatever it is that you’re in.

We appreciate you. Happy women’s month. So what does I

Vivi: am Doobie say about this movie?

Erick: Following a series of unexplained crimes, a father is reunited with the son who has been missing for 10 years, did done a metal, highly resistant to heat and corrosion with high tensile strength Atlas, the fuck was that second

Vivi: sentence. They gave a definition of titanium. Who does that? Why would you do that?

Erick: a man just like upset that it was about a woman and was like

Vivi: mansplain. The title.

Erick: Absolutely. Father gets reunited with his son. No mention of women This is what metal is in case you weren’t sure.

Vivi: What’s the summary.

Erick: Oh

 Oh shit. Hold on. that’s really low. This film is rated 6.6.

Vivi: That’s about average for, I am to be

Erick: and won an award. People can get over the fucking, the car

Vivi: park. I mean, this movie’s insane. The entire first half of it feels like a completely different movie from the last half of it.

Erick: Like it’s all just so much. That’s a lot, but it works. It brings the story together with the birth of a baby was a titanium spine. I want to know what happens to that, baby.

Is it a car? Is that baby? A car

Vivi: is at least half car. What does that mean? The hybrid, if you

Erick: will, is this like a scifi whore?

Vivi: You know what I mean? What classifies a Saifai whore,

Erick: you know what I mean? Like motors, motors and motors, cars and whore.

That sounds like scifi, whore, I guess. So, you know what I mean? It’s not like a monster whore, you know what I mean? Please stop saying,

oh my God. I saw an interview where a dude asked Julia, oh, you chose that song. And it really reminds me of staying like rubric. And I was like, oh my God, why would you do that? Why would you the last that Jesus Christ read the room guy.

Vivi: Fucking

Erick: guy, fucking guy. All right. Ready to dive into this.

Vivi: Cause I feel like he just went on a tangent.

Erick: I could have done it now or later. I don’t know which one you want to do. You want it now? And now, and later could have done it now or later I would ask all the same questions later.

If not now.

Vivi: Yeah. I mean, I feel like you beat me to the question of general thoughts? I feel like that was your response.

Erick: It was definitely confusion and questions,

Vivi: what’d you think? Maybe movies. Wild. Hmm.

Erick: No questions. You know what I mean?

Vivi: You say, you know what I mean? One more time.

Definitely couldn’t get past the, like, what the hell is going on? Just how does a person come up with this story? You know, and I feel like this director is known for body horror, and I’ve said previously on the show that I am not a huge fan of body horror, but the way that she does it, I can get behind because it’s this feeling of, you know, it’s going to happen, you know, it’s going to happen, but you don’t want it to happen, but it’s going to happen.

 Shall we get into it? Let’s go.

Erick: put it into overdrive.

Vivi: We opened on images of the inside of a car dripping oil, and it goes on for a while. Like we see the inside of a car for quite a while.

Until we see a young girl humming, like a car engine in a car with her father, as he drives her father, I thought when I first watched this seemed like he was falling asleep and then turns on the radio, like louder.

Watching it the second time I realized he was just annoyed with his kid and was trying to tune her out.

Erick: This guy really, really hates that his daughter exists

Vivi: the young girl trying to get a rise out of him, begins to kick the back of her father’s seat and he becomes more and more annoyed yelling at her to stop.

He escalates very quickly. She takes off her seatbelt to look out the rear window and her father just loses it. He gets very angry at her and turns to pull her back into her seat, causing him to lose control of the car and crash. And it is a very like blunt crash. Like the thought of her head against the glass.

Erick: It’s really graphic. You as a viewer, like, eh, I guess she’s being annoying. She’s kicking the seat. I’d be annoyed if my kid was kicking the seat. So you’re not sure what direction this is going in,

but she doesn’t deserve any of this.

Vivi: We got to some close-up shots of her in emergency surgery where a metal plate is being drilled and hammered into her head.

Erick: Really emphasizes the body horror as this is going to be a continuing theme in this

Vivi: cause it’s close up.

It is all up

Erick: in there. Yeah. I’m sure she’s real popular at the airports.

Vivi: That sucks.

She is being examined after her surgery, as her father looks away awkwardly the entire time she is giving him a death

Erick: stare. he’s like uh, every dine yet. When is this over?

Vivi: dude, you’re the one who put a dent in your kid’s head and he’s

Erick: completely fine. Which is something that I’ve always thought is upsetting.

People who are like really shitty and like the better side of things.

good people or whatever. We’ll get like the worst side of a coin. And in this case, like she got the worst of that crash and he looks completely fine, bored even.

Vivi: So I think Alexia is dead is officially our first award of the true villain of

Erick: this story. Yeah.

Vivi: And she has been prepared to leave the hospital. We get a close up of her. Very cool. Looking scar.

Erick: So my brother mark, he has a scar and people oftentimes think that it’s because he did it on purpose. And it’s interesting that sometimes people feel like self-conscious about it,

Vivi: but it just means you’re fricking metal dude.

Erick: Yeah. Like people have no idea that Mark’s face has been peeled, like a banana

Vivi: On their way out, the young girl runs to the car and embraces it, giving it a little kiss as well. And we get a title card for the movie didn’t Teton and right away, you could see that she has kind of this attachment to a car, which is interesting.

Erick: Why does she have this attachment to the car?

Like, is it because this was like a life-changing moment? And she’s like, it was the car that affected me. I don’t, I don’t get it.

Vivi: I’ve heard a theory. I don’t know if I completely agree with the theory. You The theory is that she is so isolated from her parents. Like she was not taught to have emotional attachment to humans.

So being that she has a metal plate in her head and is used to cold mechanical treatment, she finds more comfort in cold mechanical things like metal, which is why she’s attracted to Justine’s metal nipple piercings later on.

Erick: This sounds like she ended up in the wrong profession.

Vivi: What profession should have she been in?

I think she

Erick: Canik. She should,

Vivi: do you want a mechanical? It’s going to fuck your car.

Erick: I mean, we don’t know what happens back there. That’s unfortunate. Like we say, Hey, go change four tires. We don’t say, Hey, go fuck them.

Vivi: I mean, I think she’s in the right profession because she’s dancing with.

Erick: She could dance the cars as a mechanic.

Vivi: No, one’s gonna be there for that.

Erick: I like how we’re debating, which one’s weirder, like dancing on cars and fucking em or mechanics on cars and fucking them mechanic thing. I’m just saying that she could have been like real up close and personal and inside of cars as a mechanic.

Vivi: I think she wants cars inside of her,

It appears to be 20 years later, this same girl. Now an adult is walking into a nightclub full of cars with women dancing on top of them. She ties her hair up with a knitting needle and applies to makeup in a car mirror. She reaches her vehicle and begins her dance routine. It’s a very early two thousands music video vibe

Erick: Yeah. All it needed was money being dropped in like people rapping. Seriously.

Did you know that this was, I guess Russell’s film debut.

Vivi: I think I saw that she was chosen because she has a rather androgynous looking face, which comes into play with what her character does later. Yeah.

Erick: I saw an interview with her and she was like, yeah, I saw like so many interviews as an actor when I wanted to be an actress myself about how people will go through transformations. And this seemed like the perfect option.

Vivi: So did she, she had to write, shave her head.

Erick: She’s like, I shaved my head all the time regularly, regardless of this role.

So like, this was normal for me now. It seems like it was really taxing on her though. Cause she was saying that she would go through like six hours of makeup design and stuff like that. And then we’ll do like filming for like 10 hours and then we’d go home, go to sleep, come back to do all of it.

She’s like, I started to like disassociate of like, well I actually looked like and who I am. So it sort of fit the role where identity is in question here.

Vivi: I was going to say that kind of comes into play with the whole like pregnancy theme in this movie

She seems to be a crowd favorite because she is immediately asked for autographs and selfies. There’s this awkward exchange where a dude comes up to her and it’s like, can I get a selfie?

And she smiles and she’s very dead in the eyes.

The most personality we get out of her is when she’s dancing on the car, she feels very much in power. I would say in that most.

Which again goes to that theory of, she interacts more with cold metal than actual people.

Erick: It’s almost that much more meaningful at the end when she finally feels love from a person who probably also needed this situation to happen. It’s just funny how like human interactions work.

Vivi: Yeah. I saw that one of the themes here is the theme of chosen family, but that is for the completely different second half of the movie because it takes a turn. At the end of her shift, we see her in the showers with the other dancers, the dancer next to her introduces herself as just seen.

But the girl does not respond instead. She drops her soap and as she lifts her head after picking it up, her hair gets caught in just Justine’s nipple piercing. Oh my God,

Erick: this looks so bad. It’s so awkward. And it lasts so long.

Vivi: We get an awkward exchange of her trying to untangle her hair from Justine’s piercing.

Once again, just seen asked for her name, but the girl simply asked if her nipple piercing her, just seeing replies. No, they are being hurried by the other dancers who want to use the showers while just seeing as distracted yelling at them that they are. The girl yanks her hair off this autocorrect.

It’s a ripple.

Erick: She rippled her nipple off. She did basically. I think it’s interesting that you mentioned this theory that she feels close to metallic things. Cause then in that case you would think she’d be really in the piercings. that question did it hurt makes me think.

Like I should get some nipple piercings.

Vivi: I should get some stuff and tattoos though. Like in terms of hurting

Erick: or something I’m referring to the metal, you would think she’d have more piercings, like some studs, some like bars, do you think she’s

Vivi: like, I got enough metal in me,

The girl smirks and says, she thought that the piercing didn’t hurt, just seeing says that yanking, it always hurts. Obviously it would hurt. As she exits the club with the other dancers, she gets stopped by more fans who call her Alexia.

And this is the first time we actually learn her name.

Erick: Just seen was the name of the character that Garonne smeller. REIA the air played in

Vivi: Roswell, right? Yes. So that’s another fun fact. This director likes to use the same four names in all her films because in RA, Justine has a sister and name, Alex is Alexia. Interesting. Yeah. And I forgot the other two names, Ryan.

It might be interesting. We might watch raw after this cause I really want Eric to see that one. She signs a few autographs and tells another fan that she’s done for the night.

The span then follows her and chases her down to her car. And again, like I mentioned earlier, it’s like that universal fear of a creep falling you. Cause he chases her, he noticed her run and then he starts running after her. I just don’t

Erick: understand like, why people think this is cool we learned that Alexia is a psychopath, but like doing this is psychopathic as well. She’s running from you and you’re like, oh, let me run after her. No, I mean, well like no you don’t. You’re chasing someone down who clearly is sparing you.

Vivi: I hate him. she makes it to her car. But the guy is at the window begging for an autograph saying they met at a show before and that he loves her.

She gives him the autograph and tries to get him to leave. But he insists on a kiss

Erick: It’s cool. I like you. I love you. Give me a kiss. know you from like the last show. Let’s go. Come on. Yeah.

Vivi: Yeah. I guess this is common in other cultures, like to greet people with kisses. Like we do it when we greet our families.

I guess they do it in France as well.

Erick: But I don’t think that’s going to cause he’s the same.

Vivi: It is what he does at first, because she gives him the double kiss.

Erick: And then even though that’s fucking weird though, dude, like ask for your signature, you got it. You fucking chased her to her car, go away.

This is not a consensual interaction,

Vivi: but he insists on a kiss saying he thinks he’s in love with her. He asks if they can be friends, but then aggressively reaches into the car and pulls her face in for an actual kiss. At first she is frozen, but she begins to kiss him back as they are kissing. She reaches for the knitting needle in her hair and stabs him right in the ear.

He convulses and foams at the mouth until Alexia throws his corpse off her.

Erick: This was gross he’s foaming at the mouth all over her. I would have just thrown him out the car from the get-go. Why did I have to get all his spit all over

Vivi: me? apparently she doesn’t notice it because as she’s like stuffing the corpse in her car, she’s kind of like collecting herself and realizes that all the saliva is on her

Erick: back.

Yeah, I would. It’s straight up just throwing them out. Oh wait. No, I’m in like, Ooh, Chris Boone, Baba.

Vivi: She runs back into the club to shower as she is scrubbing herself clean. We hear, we hear a loud that the mirror in the locker room begins to vibrate every time that that is heard.

So I thought this was going to be like a haunted movie from this first like scene. Obviously she’s already killed a man, but then it seems like there’s some haunted elements going on. You don’t know where this is going. Oh, and it does not go where you think it goes. Alexia goes to investigate still naked and wet from the shower.

She enters the now empty club room. And we can see that one of the cars, her car that she was dancing on has its headlights turned on

Erick: room and they will go not, this is a regular show call

Vivi: out. Definitely not the same thing. That’s about to happen. She approaches it and begins to caress the car she gets in and the car begins to.

In case there were any doubts of what is happening. We then get a view of Alexia doing the car from the sunroof. it’s a really odd scene because it’s kind of implied like the car seduces her. Like it’s calling her out there with all the noises.

Yeah.

Erick: Well, I didn’t fucking chase her down. Like the other guy did some, honestly, in this case it also was a better person than people were,

Vivi: or at least an Alexia is mine. Right. That’s her whole bit. Yeah,

Erick: it went vroom and she said, oh, tell me more please.

Vivi: And it’s a very wild scene. Like the car is jumping up

Erick: and down.

It’s got hydraulics.

Vivi: The next morning. We see Alexia is pretty bruised up and has a dark stain on her underwear that appears to be blood. So. Watching the scene as a girl, I was like, oh, she got her period. But then you see the stain and it is much, much darker than a period.

And you’re like, oh, something is definitely wrong here. Yeah. Because when we

Erick: first saw it, I was like, is that oil? And you’re like, no, it’s pure blood. I was like, no, that’s like black goo.

Vivi: She’s kind of examining her body and realizing that she’s in pain after the whole one night stand with a Gar.

Erick: When I’d stand, it’d be, might do this often. They’ll say it wasn’t a one night stand. Right? She probably does this pretty often. She has a pretty intimate relationship with her car.

She knows. She’s been nurturing this relationship for awhile. Which is more than she can say for any relationship She has with anyone else.

Vivi: She is watching the news in the living room as her father walks in on the news. There’s a report about a boy who has been missing for 10 years in the region of Paris.

And it’s a rule of horror movies. You always been attention to the news, the radio, something going on in the background. This is actually Adrian, who comes into play later Alexia and her father both prepared themselves something to eat, but never seem to acknowledge each other. Her father sits down at the dinner table while Alexia eats in front of the TV.

The new story has changed to a report of a potential serial killer in the area. This report causes her father to look at the TV and then look at her. I thought this was a very interesting thing.

Erick: foreshadowing without foreshadowing, or maybe

Vivi: he see something in his daughter. I don’t know. He’s like, it’s

Erick: you you’re Adrian fucking

Vivi: no, you’re the serial killer.

Oh,

Erick: You’re the kid that’s been missing for 10 years. I stole you. I knew that you weren’t my kid, I lost you at the hospital 10 years ago,

Vivi: and then tried to kill you in a car accident. Alexia, his mother comes in and immediately society to her daughter. Alexia mentions that her stomach hurts and her mother tells her to ask her father to examine her.

Her father then makes a face that is so distraught it pains him to have to interact with his daughter. It was so uncalled

Erick: for this is why people shouldn’t have kids. They really don’t want to have kids. The kid doesn’t deserve to have you treat them the way you do

Vivi: end up becoming a serial

Erick: killer

Vivi: he examines her, but says that nothing is wrong with her. She insists that she has a pain in her stomach and she trusts to show him, but he snatches his hand back and walks away and she just kind of looks like, what the fuck?

I mean, if you’re a doctor, dude, just like, why does he hate interacting with his daughter so much?

Erick: that your responsibility as a parent is to care and nurture your kid.

Don’t learn well. And he does, he has like, fuck you. Why are you even here?

Vivi: Well, later we find out that she’s 32 years old. So I would also ask that question.

Erick: No, cause like, no, because

Vivi: we’re Mexican and if our parents had their way, we’d both still be at,

Erick: we might be home in like two months.

Sued fucking I’m sorry. It’s not talking about that.

Vivi: Litter. The night Alexia is on a date with Justine. Very bold of Justine for someone who has

Erick: gotten her nipple ripped off

Vivi: foreshadowing someone who has gotten their hair stuck in your nipple ring and ripped it off. I don’t think I’d want to go on a date with him. Things between them are getting hot and heavy with Alexia being very fixated on just scenes. Nipple rings so much so that she almost rips the piercing off with her teeth. This is one of those scenes where I was like, I knew it was coming, but I was still like distraught watching it like, oh God, she’s

Erick: going to do, I literally just go near you.

And you’re like, you’re ripping my nipples off. I mean, yeah. Cause you’re violent.

I’m literally just standing next to you right now.

And you’re like, you almost rip my nipple. ‘

Vivi: cause he’ll be like, can you hand me that

again? No one can see that this is an audio medium.

Erick: She just ripped my nipples off

Vivi: Just seeing pushes her off, yelling that it hurts, but still invites her to go back to her place. I’d be like, dude, the

Erick: night’s over. Yeah. I don’t get just seems insistence to continue to do this. Because like she’s anyway, but not really.

Vivi: No, I think she’s too into it because later on she finds out that she’s pregnant and she’s still trying to do her. Like this woman just found out that she’s pregnant and she’s in a state of shock. And just, Dean’s still trying to like put the moves on her, but it was off.

It’s fine

instead Alexia runs past her and vomits in a nearby body of water. As she is looking down, she notices that her stomach is protruding. She and does her pants and examines herself and she pulls her hand up to see that it is covered in oil.

Erick: Cool. Do you think this car, baby pregnancy is like a full nine months?

Vivi: I don’t know because the timeline that she later spends with the captain, I’m unsure if they had like pretty much a year together, like the full development of the pregnancy or that car, baby hybrids are born super fat.

Erick: I just looked at it. How long does it take to make a car? It’s a 17 to 18 hours. That’s actually a lot faster than a thought to assembly line. Anyway, this movie takes place in the span of 18 hours. It’s not that buff.

Vivi: She runs back to Justine for in the next scene? Alexia has taken a pregnancy test that confirms that she is pregnant.

She takes the knitting needle from her hair and trigger warning

stuffs, toilet paper into her mouth as she attempts and at home abortion, we watched this and I screamed go to the hospital and Eric immediately screamed go to a mechanic right after

Erick: tasteless joke. Go to them again. Well, because there’s oil everywhere. Okay. Well, I don’t know what’s happening here. Is she a car what’s happening?

She

Vivi: is interrupted by just seen. The two are in the living room, having a conversation about what’s going on and continue to make out. When Alexia, once again, pulls out her knitting needle and attempts to stab Justine in the ear. She misses dabbing Justine in the cheek. It is a real gnarly look.

Erick: It’s actually really

Vivi: cool.

She just looks at her in complete shock

Erick: and then still keeps trying to fuck. That’s just distinctive viable.

Vivi: You’re a little too horny for me. I need you to bring it down. You’re being threatened.

Erick: Yeah. At this point, you also are just confused on what’s Alexia’s entire intent. You’re like, is she just threatened by anyone and everything? Like, she’s just trying to have sex with her. And that’s really the only personality trait we see from Justine. But you’re like, oh, like what the fuck? She’s just killing anybody. Then. Like even the ones that are decent to her.

Vivi: Yeah. Yeah. Because she doesn’t know how to interact with people.

This is a daddy issues gone

Erick: wild.

Vivi: Alexia pulls the needle out and the, to begin to struggle, Alexia eventually gets the upper hand and drives the needle into just Dean’s ear

Erick: ramp up the music.

Vivi: As just scene’s body stops convulsing, one of her roommates makes his way downstairs. He hasn’t even noticed that anything has happened. So

Erick: what y’all up to? Oh, that’s cool. Y’all y’all just keep doing what you’re doing. I’m just going to get some milk from the fridge.

Vivi: When Alexia just attacks him with a fire poker just wants milk.

She takes him down, but all the noise has caused his partner to come down and he yells at her to call the cops. as Alexia begins to attack him with. She gets one of the legs of the stool into his mouth and puts all her weight on it, fucked up. It is a pretty gnarly Gill with a sick gurgling sound.

We know that she has killed the roommate. She sits on the stool to rest. As we zoom out and see the damage that has been done to him, grabbing the poker again, she makes her way upstairs to where the other woman is and knocks on the door. That’s when a third roommate appears asking for the bathroom,

Erick: I felt bad for this guy.

Cause he was just like there, this guy was so nice. Yeah. He had no reason to die.

Vivi: I hope I wrote his name. Right. Is it on here? Jerome,

a lot of these names and like French, like Ryan, I think is the name of the other character, but it’s spelled like R a Y a N E.

Erick: yeah. I think it’s Ryan. I am. Debbie did a great job of getting names. Let me, go through here real quick. One sec. I just want to take note of like the grade, a casting information that we got from INDB ready.

We got Adrian’s mother. I liked his father. Alexia’s mother the fan tuning. The Macarena lady. That’s my favorite, the young man called lock to Alexia’s doctor BPF, inspector, shower, hostess, and security guard tuning show. And that’s it

Vivi: amazing. Anyway Alexia looks visibly exhausted and asked how many of them are there. She introduces herself as Alex and it goes to hug Jerome. he asks if she is okay. And she just says that she’s totally

Erick: wiped. He should have been like the only one that survived.

Vivi: Yeah. Because he’s so nice. He even then asks her if she wants to use his bed. And she actually goes through the whole process of like introducing yourself, kisses him on both cheeks and hugs him. As she’s saying, she’s super tired as he’s offering her his bed, we zoom out and see that Alexia has the fire poker pointed right at him.

And she stops him

Erick: and he dies

Vivi: really fast. That’s so sad. It’s comical, but it’s

Erick: I mean, scene that is weird It’s a massacre scene, but it has comedic vibes to it entirely. Right? ‘

Vivi: cause at this point, the music has stopped for a minute and then picks right back up as the girl from earlier, tries to make a break for it.

While Alexia is distracted, Alexia catches up to her and the two struggle for a while, but eventually the girl is able to get away from her Alexia, just collapses on the stairs of the apartment. Then proceeds to make her way home. She has covered herself in a blanket to hide the blood, but once she makes it home, she shakes it off.

Her father is literally watching her the entire time she’s doing this and seems completely uninterested that his daughter just came home covered in blood.

Erick: Yeah, whatever. Maybe the cops will take it from me. I don’t give a shit. I’m gonna let my cigarette

Vivi: Alexia simply makes her way into the garage and proceeds to set her stain clothes on fire.

The flames continue to spread throughout the house. As Alexia checks on her parents, her father seems to wake up from sleep and goes to reach for her, but she locks them in their bedroom. And we assume that they are left to burn to death, which I thought was kind of shitty. Cause her mom didn’t seem that bad.

Erick: I don’t know. I guess is it Alexia is interpretation that her mother could have done

Vivi: more? I guess so. Cause I think if I saw you treating our kid like that, I’d be like what the fuck’s your problem?

Erick: We didn’t really say much about her either. Like even with the crash, you’d think that she’d also be at the.

Yeah, her husband, she’d be at the operation being like, fuck you divorce,

Vivi: She could have just been like, yeah, it was an accident. If her daughter doesn’t tell her, like, yo dad just got mad at me.

And that’s why he cried.

Erick: No ma’am if you and me you’re walking around the house. And every time our daughter starts trying to talk to me and I’m like,

Vivi: oh my God,

Erick: who brought this thing? I mean, oh, Hey daughter, sorry, your mom, your mom is here. Don’t don’t forget that. Oh, how are you doing, honey? That’s how you

Vivi: get a serial killer.

Yeah.

Erick: Oh, I was just telling her how much I love her. Don’t don’t uh, can I ask a question?

Vivi: Alexia is now on the run hitchhiking her way to a train station or airport. I couldn’t really tell the difference, but it is full of cops. This is where she realizes that her wanted photo is being displayed everywhere.

She takes a moment to collect herself when she notices the image of a missing boy that has been aged up 10 years. You’ve seen these right. Where they’re like, this is what they would look like now If they were found,

Erick: I don’t get how those work I don’t wanna sound like an idiot, but I’ve seen like videos of people who are like, well, how accurate is it?

And how likely is it to be true? And there’s plenty of cases where it’s like, oh, thanks to that. It actually helped us find the person. There’s so many people who don’t look anything like when they were kids, I feel like I don’t really look like what I look like as a kid. was a pale ass kid.

I’m not that pale anymore.

Vivi: You kinda got your winter shade on your pretty pile.

Erick: Well, I was paler you look like you did as a kid.

Vivi: Yeah.

Erick: But I don’t really look like I did as a

Vivi: kid. I could totally tell it’s you,

Erick: but you’re my literal wife. so what this movie had me thinking about too, was like this guy, Vincent, who thinks that Alexia is his son. I think if you’re a parent and you know what your kid looks like, you’re going to know whether this person actually is your son or not, or daughter or

Vivi: not. I think the captain’s an interesting case because he obviously just wants to believe that that’s his son

Erick: it’s that thing of grieving.

you’re just like, Hmm. I’ll take whatever I get. Yeah.

Vivi: It’s at this point in the movie that I feel like the tone shifts a lot.

But seeing the age is up photo seems to give her an idea. She makes her way to a public bathroom where she begins a transformation. She has a bag full of stuff. And I feel like we’ve seen the scene in a lot of movies where they go to the bathroom and give themselves a make-over. It reminds me of gone girl, where she goes into the bathroom and cuts off all her hair, the

Erick: fuck out herself.

She should’ve just gone the MTU route, put a hoodie on and some sunglasses, that’s all you really need. Yeah. Completely different person. Clark Kent did it?

I saw a tick-tock that was just like the ultimate transformation. And it was like Clark county. And I was like, he’s hunched over, got the glasses on. And he’s just like straightens out. Cause that’s what being Superman means. It means you get rid of the hunter.

You get rid of the glasses?

Vivi: Well, it’s the same thing as when you’re the ugly girl and you’d take off your glasses and obviously your hot,

Erick: you were hiding all of that

Vivi: whole time. You were hot this whole time. Oh

Erick: my God. How did I miss this?

Vivi: She begins to cut off all her hair and shaves off her eyebrows and begins to tape down her boobs. This is where like, the timeline is weird because her belly looks more prominent now She looks like she’s about three months pregnant when she found out she was pregnant a day ago, but she begins to tape all of that down and it looks pretty painful and uncomfortable.

The final act of her transformation is trying to break her nose. She tries to punch herself, but when that doesn’t work, she places her nose on the edge of the sink and brings her face down with full force

Erick: and doing this. That takes

Vivi: like

Erick: balls.

Vivi: When she looks up in the mirror, it’s clear that she succeeded and she begins to laugh.

Erick: don’t think it’s like that symbol though. Right? It would hurt a lot. I’ve never broken a nose. I don’t think I’ve ever broken anything.

Have you?

Vivi: No,

 I have like, because I don’t know how to. Nearly fractured my ankle, like twice. One of them was like the day before our wedding. Oh yeah. That was fun. I was there. And then one was like, when I was in eighth grade playing soccer,

Erick: as a kid, I was playing Marco polo in the basement by myself and I ran into a pool,

Vivi: the most psychotic sentence I’ve

Erick: ever heard. And I ran into a pole, my eyes closed I’m pretty sure that this is because of that.

Oh, let’s see. You might have, because I heard a lot and I never went to the doctor.

Vivi: Interesting. Now I’m looking at your nose, like, oh yeah. I could totally see if it was broken. It’s a little angled right here.

Erick: Damn.

Vivi: The next thing we get is a man that we later learn is known as the captain arriving at a police station, Vincent, for the rest of the movie, I just called him the captain because that’s how his squad refers to him. I thought I was just wondering to say, the captain

Erick: is captain Morgan.

Vivi: He is being asked to identify the disguise Alexia as his missing son. When the police say they can run a DNA test, the captain immediately shuts down the idea and says that he will know his son when he sees them. When the captain has shown his quote unquote son, he is clearly overcome with emotion and simply nods at the police officer.

Erick: This guy does a really good job at being this type of person, character. Yeah. Right. Vincent Linden, in an interview was talking about his relationship with Lexia. and how I guess was a novice to acting. And he’s like, yeah, I’ve been acting for a while.

and the fact that she was a novice added to that dynamic that they were looking to achieve

Vivi: of like father,

Erick: son. Yeah. Like Yeah.

Vivi: I think they have really great chemistry between them. Just for clarity reasons, the captain obviously refers to Alexia as his son. I’m just going to continue to call her Alexia. the captain then is driving Alexia to her new home, but not before stopping at a gas station were overcome with emotion. He asked why she is not speaking. He decides that it’s okay. And that she will talk when she is ready. When they reach a stop, Lexia takes an opportunity to escape jumping out of the car and beginning to run.

She is quickly caught by the captain who promises that he will kill anyone who tries to hurt her, including himself. It’s a very sad, tender moment, but like

Erick: he’s toxic as well. Yes. in that way. That think about a parent that has lost everything.

In losing their son and grieving for it and then returns to you. And you’re like, I’m not going to let anything happen. I’m not letting that happen again. it’s toxic because the person who has come back, isn’t going to see it from that perspective.

They’re going to be like, you’re being very intrusive, it’s a psychological effect that happens to that person who has, had to go through that grieving.

Vivi: Again, this is where the movie is like, whoa, what a turn. Now we’re invested in the captain story with his son.

They arrive at the fire department where the captain also lives outside the home. One of the firemen under the captain’s orders has waited up for him to give him some dinner. The captain introduces Alexia S his son, Adrian, and his employee as Ryan, once inside Alexia is given her own room.

Where’s she quickly untaped her body for some relief.

And we see the effects as the movie goes on. Like the scarring that this is causing her real quick to touch on Ryan though. One of the themes in this film seems to be the chosen family.

And it is clear that Ryan wants the captain to fill some kind of like father figure role for him. The captain doesn’t give a shit doesn’t care because he now has who he believes is his real son.

Erick: Identity crisis is happening here, Which I think has done on purpose. So Julia in her interviews was like, it’s a question of who am I?

And does it really matter Which is like, cool, right? It’s like, am I a woman? I’m my ban. my son and my Alexia, I, my Adrian,

Vivi: I saw that one of the major themes here, because we’re not smart enough to figure this out on our own is the question of gender identity.

And we’re going to see as the movie progresses that the captain has these like perceived notions of masculinity and she has perceived notions of femininity and they seem to be happiest when they’re like in an androgynous state. But Alexia is relief is short lived because the captain barges into the room demanding her dirty clothes.

She is fighting him because he tries to just pull her dirty clothes off of her. And instead makes him turn around while she changes.

Erick: of this is happening while it Lexia, doesn’t say a single word, like the rest of this movie, she doesn’t say anything

Vivi: and I think it just goes to show you how strong of an actress she is because to not be able to speak, but convey emotion in every sing. I didn’t even notice that she wasn’t speaking because I was so involved with her character.

She hands the captain, her dirty clothes and he retreats from the room, but finds her knitting needle amongst her.

Later in the evening alone in the bathroom, we see the captain injecting himself with steroids. We can see that he does this pretty often as he has many bruises on his butt from the injections.

 He begins to flex in the mirror. He then proceeds to go and do a workout, but becomes more and more frustrated.

As he can’t bring himself to do the workout as well as he wants. He’s trying to do like pull-ups and he is struggling

So much so that he falls on the ground and starts basically having a tantrum.

Erick: He reverts back to being young again and by young, I mean, baby. Yeah, he did what he wanted.

Vivi: It is the next morning. And Alexia begins the day by taping herself up again, the captain is then helping her in the washroom by putting a brace on her broken nose and starts to shave her head. He stops when he gets the scar on her head. As she flinches away, every time he touches it.

Erick: And he’s like, come here, fuck you in your pain.

Vivi: I think. Okay. Like imagine being the captain thinking, this is your son and they now have a huge scar on the side of

Erick: their head. I mean, he’s doing the reasonable thing, which is like, you’ll talk to me when you’re ready, but also I want to be intrusive as fuck and do whatever I want when you don’t listen to me, he’s very conflicting

Vivi: instead of forcing her to shave. All of her hair. He stops and gets a baseball cap to put on her. He says that she is beginning to look halfway decent. judging

Erick: is fucked, broke down.

Vivi: He then decides to take

Erick: no, got them again.

Vivi: The captain then takes Alexia to the firehouse where we meet the rest of the fireman under his command. The squad starts to make fun of Alexia, but the captain shuts this down saying if he has got to them, then Alexia is Jesus. Yo

Erick: chill, bro. You’re just my boss.

Vivi: One of them has like daddy issues with him, so he might be gone to him.

Erick: Okay. Well that guy. Prey,

Vivi: But it seems like none of them believe that Alexia is really the captain son later while running a training simulation, the captain freezes, as he sees the burnt body of a small child, that’s fucked

Erick: up.

Vivi: He freaks out seeing what looks to be like the child’s room their toys and things like that. And it seems like the captain is having this moment of realization of.

I missed out on their childhood kind of thing, or their childhood was taken from them because again, your child was returned to you, but with horrible scars and is not speaking,

Erick: you get that vibe from him when he’s trying to like teach Adrian or Alexia things like you get that he’s trying to make up for lost time.

Yeah.

Vivi: but he freaks out so much that the simulation has to be ended that night at dinner. The captain, once again, asked Alexia, if she will ever speak alexia is clearly frustrated, but the conversation takes a turn when the captain notices that Alexia is lactating. She has stains going down her shirt at this point.

Erick: I’m pretty sure that from the get-go the captain didn’t really believe, I believe. Right. Right.

Vivi: I think part of it is that the captain just needed someone.

Erick: That also makes it more like abusive. It’s just sad. you’re going to fulfill this purpose, whether you like it or not,

Vivi: it’s just fucked up all around. He tries to help Alexia, but she simply tries to run off again in response, the captain implores her to stay and runs to turn on the radio. He starts dancing in a rather feminine way and pulls Alexia in to dance. This scene goes from being like kind of cutesy where they’re dancing and he’s trying to get her to have a good time, but then he starts bumping into her.

Erick: He’s modest printing his son. Yeah.

Vivi: I would say that the scene is meant to, like, I don’t know if I’m using this word correctly, but it’s a juxtaposition of the earlier scene where Alexia is doing anything to get a rise out of her father.

And now this man in the father role is doing anything to get a rise out of Alexia, like any response, because she’s,

Erick: And she doesn’t know how to deal with it. So she’s trying to run. Exactly.

Vivi: Yeah. Yeah, he starts bumping her in the chest and smacking her to get a reaction out of her.

Erick: The only thing I was thinking about was like the baby.

Vivi: I didn’t even remember the baby at

Erick: this point. Yeah. Cause he was like body slamming her.

Vivi: She eventually starts smacking him back and pulls out her knitting needle.

And the captain just taunts her Asking her, if she’s part of a knitting club

Erick: buck and do it, I’m ready

Vivi: telling her to fight like a man he’s able to tackle Alexia and throws the house keys at her, telling her she doesn’t have to run that she’s already home. She takes the keys and runs out of the house, upset.

The captain decides to do something again. He looks in the mirror disappointed and decides he needs to inject even more. However, this proves to be a bad idea as he begins to pass out in the bathroom. Meanwhile, Alexia has made her way to the bus.

Erick: The scene with the bus.

This is fucked up. It’s just some fortunate that this happens.

Vivi: Yeah. It seems like she’s about to leave for good when another young woman gets on the bus followed by a group of rowdy men, they start harassing the young woman and she looks uncomfortable at Alexia.

This scene is interesting because Alexia kind of looks at her like I know what you’re going through. And the entire time, this young woman believing that she’s a man is kind of like do something, help me and Alexia doesn’t

Erick: no, the, immediate next scene is her back at the house. And it’s like, what happened to the lady?

Vivi: Yes. She gets off the bus and just goes back home. So it’s almost like she’s saying it’s easier to be a man in some capacity. And again, it’s that whole gender identity thing

Erick: that’s fucked up. I would like to see a spin-off film of what happened after the bus. And then we see this woman turn into a murderous,

fem Patel.

Vivi: Or she, She also has a knitting needle in her hair and she just stabs all of them. Yeah.

So we didn’t see this, but Alexia actually just gives knitting needles to women and then encourages them

Erick: to bring them.

Yeah. Yeah.

Vivi: This interaction makes Alexia get off the bus and return to the captain’s home, where she finds the captain passed out in the bathroom.

It is at this point that Alexia takes out her knitting needle once again, but can’t bring herself to kill the captain. I thought he was dead

Erick: for a second. I thought he

Vivi: O deed Alexia instead grabs the Clippers and shaves off the rest of her hair,

Deciding to fully commit to this new identity.

Now she’s in it for

Erick: real now she’s in it for the long run.

Vivi: She tries to wake the captain and this is the first time we hear her speak in his presence. However, he obviously doesn’t hear it. She does call him dad though. The next day Alexia is going through Adrian’s old things and finds a woman’s maternity dress.

Erick: Is it understood then that Adrian also was like unsure, but his identity

Vivi: possibly. So really hate this about like,

Assigning like gender to kids. Want to sound like a typical millennial, but like, you could be a very, a feminine kid and be a boy and then grow up and not be like that. Or you could be a very tomboyish girl and then grow up to be very feminine. Like it’s all very fluid and you can do whatever you want.

Erick: until you decide yourself what you want to say you are.

Vivi: Yeah. Yeah. She tries it on looking at her maternal figure in the mirror when the captain barges in Alexia tries to hide in the closet, but he quickly finds her in that dress.

The captain just looks at her and begins to laugh and shows her a picture of Adrian when he was young and wearing that exact same dress. He says that no one can tell him that she’s not his son and shows her a ton of affection. It’s just a sweet, sad scene now,

Erick: because your expectation is he’s going to be pissed and he’s just like, no.

Yeah, look,

Vivi: it does. It brings back memories. He seems like a character that has like toxic masculinity, but he didn’t care that his son dressed up in a dress

Erick: We expect him to be this way especially given his whole, like doing steroids to stay

Vivi: manly.

Yeah. But doesn’t put that pressure on his son. That’s very interesting. Yeah.

We got to the next scene. It seems that the captain has decided to train Alexia to be a fireman, fireman, fireman, taking her along on calls with him and Ryan.

They’re at the home of a young man where the mother has called the men fearing that her son has overdosed because he will not open the door or respond.

Erick: This is a really sad scene at the mother. It is because she watches the whole thing unfold it’s

Vivi: also very odd because she’s like, oh no, I never go into his room.

What if he has a woman in there? Like lady barged into that

Erick: room? I can’t imagine putting my mom through this situation. You know what I mean? Like, and vice versa. I can’t imagine being a parent and like having to be there, seeing my kid, go through this, what the fuck?

That’s scary,

Vivi: but what didn’t you barge into the room?

Erick: Yeah. Fuck you. What the fuck are you doing in there?

She’s a smaller lady though.

Vivi: They rushed into the young man’s room to see that. Yes, he has indeed overdosed on drugs. The captain begins to work on the son. When the mother passes out, the captain then teaches Alexia how to give her CPR. As he continues to work on the son with his instructions, Alexia has actually saved a life instead of taking one.

The captain is very proud of her when all is said and done

Erick: what song under these migraines, the Macarena. Oh, I was thinking of staying alive in the office. That’s

Vivi: always

Erick: what they tell you, right? Yeah. Mike random feels like a just left field as song too.

Vivi: Cause it’s like,

Erick: dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, I guess. Yeah. It’s the same. Yeah. Figuring it out.

Vivi: That was a very horrible interpretation of a microRNA. NA

Erick: yeah. Well, yeah, Macarena macaroni,

Vivi: but the chicken strips

Erick: that was around the car.

Oh no.

Vivi: The captain is very proud of her and Ryan watches as the two Sharon embrace. While riding back to the station, Brian sees Alexia’s wanted photo on his phone. He asked Alexia where she’s really from, and she just stares at him and begins laughing. He does not give a fuck about this, man.

Erick: No

what’s he going to say like, Hey captain, this girl is a murderer.

Vivi: That sounds crazy.

back at the fire station, there’s a very nightclub looking dance party going on.

So at this fire station, there seems to be only men employed who are dancing.

Erick: That’s the

Vivi: guy’s only a fireman clip. It seems like it it’s a very homoerotic scene or what I interpreted as the male gaze flipped because we often see scenes like this with women, like very romanticized them dancing, very sexualized scenes, but it’s men.

So this is one of the instances where the captain joins in on the dancing and appears to be enjoying himself. The moments that he seems to be enjoying himself the most is when he kind of lets go of that notion of masculinity and is kind of just very femme, enjoying himself. Doesn’t

Erick: care.

Vivi: until Ryan pulls him aside to talk. He tells the captain, he needs to talk to him about his son, but the captain does not want to hear it. Instead. He has back to the dance floor. Ryan confronts, Alexia telling her to crawl back into the hole where she came from. Instead she goes to dance with the captain.

It’s a very like, fuck you. I know you got daddy issues, but your daddy wants to beat with me. Not with you.

Erick: What is happening.

Vivi: a weird exchange because he even says like the tension between us. This is like, dude, if you were like attracted to this,

Erick: you’ll be energy between us. Okay. Again, identity question is heavily played here. Maybe even Ryan is like, I like you.

Vivi: That’s okay, Ryan, you’re gonna got to go threatening people just because you’re attracted to another man. If you don’t stop being so damn sexy.

We got to the next day back in the captain’s home and Adrian’s mother has shown up to see Alexia. She looks at Alexia for a long time and hugs her. three, they’re having dinner and Adrian’s mother asks if Alexia is adapting.

Well, the captain tells her that she does not speak, but that it’s okay that he looked it up and it’s normal. You kind of get that. The mother immediately realizes that Alexia is not her son. Oh

Erick: yeah. Again, mother’s intuition. It’s not that hard to tell. dad has this issue of being like, no, that’s my kid and I’m not going to really give a shit my mother is going to be like, that’s tough. Yeah.

Vivi: But she talks to Alexia anyways, saying that the two of them could go on a trip. If she would like, when Alexia doesn’t respond, she asked the captain how he could live in that house next to their son’s abandoned room for so many years.

It’s really sad because she says, how can you be near his toys, his smell still lingers in this house. And he just like, did not give up on finding a son. And I think she did,

Erick: both of those are sad. The giving up is not good. Conceptually like you do want to get over it because your life has to continue.

But does the alternative that is like, I’m going to keep searching and both can be bad. Yeah. Like in the extreme, this is

Vivi: just so sad and I hope to never, ever, ever be in this situation.

captain excuses, Alexia. So he can talk to Adrian’s mother alone. He tells her that she isn’t allowed to take Alexia. And the privacy of her own room Alexia is scratching away at her pregnant belly. Oh my God.

Erick: The itch. I feel itchy. Just watching it.

Vivi: It’s so bad because she’s clearly a way more pregnant than she was a couple of days ago.

Erick: 17 hours ago.

Vivi: and the taping. Everything down has caused like scarring and pain.

Erick: The scarring was from her scratching to

Vivi: thought it was the tapes. They were like lying

Erick: on top of it, but like her scratching has led to. Seems into what looks like the exterior of a car under the belly yes.

Vivi: So she is scratching away at her pregnant belly and freaking out because she has opened a wound on her stomach and through the wound, we see again, motor oil and metal and Teton. Her body looks ravaged with scars, from constantly taping it down and she hits her stomach and frustration for the pain to stop.

She tries to tape up her body again, but this only causes her to lactate oil, which is a question I didn’t want answered. What does a baby human hybrid eat

Erick: Moyle? It’s a milk oil hybrid

this whole scene is just like, ah, you know, she’s pregnant with a car, but also this looks painful. What the fuck? And

Vivi: it’s this whole theory and horror because I’m a nerd and wrote a thesis about this in college. It’s this notion called the monstrous feminine where. Or often depicts the female body as terrifying in relation to giving life.

But I think what this director is trying to do here is show that pregnancy is something that is often, I mean, it’s a choice ideally, right. To get pregnant. But what happens to you from then on is not a choice. It just happens to you. And that’s a terrifying thing. And your identity changes

Erick: as well. because Somebody will have like easy pregnancies and other, some people have terrible, terrible ones.

Yeah.

Vivi: It seems like her experience is just terrible. Granted, she’s giving birth to a car, baby.

It is at that moment when Adrian’s mother walks in. And the site of Alexia confirms what we suspect. She already knew that Alexia is not her child

Erick: at this point. You’re like, oh shit, what’s going to happen next. Is she going to call her out?

Vivi: And she kind of

Erick: doesn’t no, she takes the understanding route as well.

I don’t know the fuck you’re doing here, but make sure you don’t fuck it.

Vivi: She closes the door behind her and grabs Alexia by the stomach. She asked what she would do if she couldn’t mourn the loss of her own child Alexia simply crumbles to the ground in pain.

Adrian’s mother seems to pity her asking what mess she got herself into, but then she grabs her face and tells her that she doesn’t care why she’s doing this, but she must promise to take care of the captain when Alexia promises that she will Adrian’s mother simply storms off later that night, Alexia is watching the news.

When the captain calls her for help on the news, it is stating that they have no leads in the young woman suspected and being responsible for all the killings that took place in Paris. That previous year, making me think it’s been like a full nine months, at least.

Erick: And she was like, damn sucks for that girl.

She’s like, that’s crazy.

Vivi: Wow.

This is when the captain calls her for help. She walks into the bathroom and sees him about to inject steroids. Let

Erick: me show you how to be a man.

Vivi: That’s a real awkward scene to walk into. She’s about to walk away, but he asks for her help because he’s tired of bruising himself.

Erick: So now I need you to bruise

Vivi: me. Alexia asks him if he’s sick and this is the first time she has spoken to him. He smiles and response. No, I’m just old. She takes the needle from him and injects him afterwards, the captain says, he’s the one that’s supposed to take care of Alexia, not the other way around. He sits her down on the edge of the tub and asks. If she trusts him, he then begins to put shaving cream all over her face. It doesn’t

Erick: work.

Vivi: but she does have facial hair at the end.

I don’t know. I shaved my face and I’d be pretty fucking hairy. That’s just natural. That’s just

Erick: cause you Mexican. I’ve read that

Vivi: this is a myth. It’s not because I shaved my legs. And when I first shaved my legs, my hairs weren’t as thick and prickly as they

Erick: are now, what you need to do and he’d get a tattoo because my leg hair is where my tattoo is.

I have two legs, two legs. No, but if you look at where my tattoos are, my legs, there’s a lot less hair.

Vivi: Okay. Listen. I am hairier than you on my

Erick: body. Okay. Just get more tattoos. I don’t know what you want to tell you. You’re

Vivi: absolutely right. Oh, got more tattoos.

Erick: Support our show on patriotic so I could get more

Vivi: tattoos

Erick: We’re going to test this theory. I want a full beard. but I have a patchy facial hair situation. So let’s make it happen.

Vivi: We cut to the next scene, which is the captain and Ryan responding to an actual call. It seems like they are in the woods making their way towards the fire. When the captain gets dizzy from the flames and collapses, Ryan asks him to say his name so that he knows he’s conscious, but when the captain doesn’t answer, he asks if he knows her name, what the fuck?

Ryan up the time.

they reached the source of the fire, which appears to be a mobile home. The captain hands, Ryan, a tank of either gasoline or propane, and tells him to secure it. As he goes to meet up with the front lines, we cut to Alexia who appears to just be waiting in the fire truck for her father to return a safe distance away.

She witnesses a huge explosion from the firetruck as the rest of the team goes to aid the captain and Ryan, the captain seems to have survived the blast, but unfortunately the same cannot be said for Ryan.

Now, here is the question. Did he do this on purpose?

Erick: I get the vibe that he did, right. He

Vivi: set him up vibe that he did. He mentioned earlier on in the film that he would kill anyone that harms Alexia. So him questioning who his son is,

Erick: it feels totally on purpose. Yeah. There’s no doubt in my mind

vincent’s crazy.

Vivi: It’s like ride or die for his

Erick: son. I mean like any parents should be right.

Vivi: Back home, Alexia’s in the shower. When she notices the baby kick in her stomach, she is surprised by this and touches where the baby has just kicked, smiling at her pregnant belly for the first time ever.

Erick: The babies just like doing burnouts inside her pregnant belly.

Vivi: Have you seen babies move in Belize? It’s insane. Yeah, you could see they’re like little feet

Erick: and HD.

Yeah.

Vivi: yeah, like in the movie. Oh, you see the little hand It’s like a mutant inside

Erick: of you to be able to do that. That’s

Vivi: crazy.

Erick: I mean, she’s having a car that’s like different, that’s real different.

This baby’s build different. It really is. Yes.

Vivi: she gets out of the shower and looks in the mirror and she actually apologizes to the baby. As she begins to tape up her body. Again, the captain knocks on the door and enters, she covers herself up with a towel. The captain looks down at her belly and says that he doesn’t care who she is.

She is his son. And she will always be his son. He embraces her. But as he pulls away, her towel drops it’s kind of a moment where he’s like, okay, yeah, this confirms what I thought, but I don’t care because he picks up the towel and just covers her up again. We cut back to the firehouse where there appears to be a rave going on, which I thought was odd because didn’t one of their teammates just die.

Erick: Yes it is. They’re like, yes, fucking Ryan is gone. Fucking hate it. Oh my God. What a buzzkill

Vivi: such a daddy’s boy. Wow. It

Erick: wasn’t even his dad.

None of us didn’t even care about the captain,

Vivi: but the men are shirtless and basically creating a mosh pit with Alexia joining in on it. They are throwing each other like crazy. And in the midst of all the chaos, Alexia sees Ryan who looks horrifically scarred. It’s one of those kind of scary jump cuts where I’m pretty sure Ryan is dead and she’s just seeing him out of guilt.

I don’t know. It didn’t seem like she gave a shit about Ryan.

Erick: No. Also why would this happen if she doesn’t know what happened with the captain? That’s true. Why would she feel any guilt or remorse or

Vivi: maybe she suspects it

Erick: too. She’s just haunted by him knowing what’s going on with her past.

Vivi: Yeah. Yeah. But then if he was dead, she wouldn’t care.

You know, it seems like the only person she cares for as the captain. Look, I

Erick: think that it’s that Alexia as much as she’s been self-sufficient prior to this, she’s starting to learn what it means to be human and have relationships. So normal things like guilt and remorse for what you’ve done. It starts to become more normal where Ryan is like a reminder, Hey, you did this, don’t forget it.

And she’s like starting to experience the difference between like what caused her to get there and what could have been for her life.

Vivi: So that would make more sense to me if she saw like Justine or someone, she actually had a more meaningful relationship with meaningful. She definitely interacted more with just seeing than she did with Ryan.

Ryan was just annoying all the time.

Erick: I just don’t think that her relationship with Justine was that impactful. It was

Vivi: her relationship with Ryan. No, trying to out her the entire

Erick: time. I’m not saying that Ryan, as a person mattered, I’m saying that what he means is what mattered, but he’s a reminder of her past life before this situation.

It’s not that it was Ryan. It doesn’t matter that it was him. It’s that he was like a window into her past. I

Vivi: guess,

Erick: as much as she’s starting to kind of normalize like, oh, this is what it means to be loved.

This is what it feels like to matter to someone. This is what it feels like to care about. Other people, he was there to be like, no, don’t forget what you did. Don’t forget what you endured. Okay. It doesn’t matter that it was him. It could have been literally anybody.

Vivi: Yeah. Okay. Okay.

I’ll give you

Erick: that one.

Vivi: You convinced me.

Being distracted by seeing Ryan, she is thrown down by one of the other guys who just mosh pits straight into her

Erick: I thought the scene was going to end with her like miscarriages or something was going to happen. That was like, oh fuck, she’s a woman who’s pregnant.

Vivi: I mean, kind of, you know, because two guys then carry her and help her climb to the top of one of the fire trucks. Once there, the crowd of men cheer her on and it encouraged her to dance. When she begins to dance, the only way she knows how very feminine and provocative as she did in her club days, the men become extremely confused and uncomfortable.

And I found this super odd because they encouraged her to dance in the first

Erick: place. It is super odd because they were literally doing the same thing with each other. But now that the spotlight’s on her and they’re able to focus and it’s

Vivi: too feminine.

Erick: Yeah. Like bro, don’t act like you were not grinding two seconds ago on the other

Vivi: with another naked man.

Like what, where do we draw the line? Yeah. They all get very uncomfortable as Alexia’s dance becomes more and more. The captain comes in, telling them to shut the party down, but catches the end of Alexia’s performance. He also looks uncomfortable and just walks out

Erick: it’s that

Vivi: he’s embarrassed. I think it’s that he can no longer deny the fact that this is not his son.

It’s like very blatant now, or he was okay with the secrecy of it, but not the like letting other people know.

I don’t understand his discomfort in this last scene. Yeah.

Erick: Like he’s been accepting up to this point. Why, why suddenly changed?

Vivi: The next scene we get is Alexia returning back to her old ways. She is having sex with one of the fire trucks, but instead of the joy that she used to get out of it, she begins to cry. These next couple scenes are intercut with what’s happening to the captain and what’s happening to Alexia just for clarity.

But the captain is in his bedroom. Drinking and crying again. I don’t understand why he was accepting one minute confronted with the reality that she’s not his son. He’s now crying and drinking.

Erick: I can put up a charade that helps me get through it, but then the moment that I’m hit with reality, it’s like that black mirror episode where you have the AI robot thing, that’s like an exact copy of your loved one that passed away.

But then the moment that it starts to become like, no, this isn’t actually them, you go back into grieving because you’re like, no, it’s, it’s definitely not them. And it helped to kind of cope a little bit, but I’ve been reminded now again, that, this is not them. So maybe that’s this scene like Vincent is like, no.

Yeah, you’re right. It’s not my son.

Vivi: Yeah. We cut back to Alexia who was on the floor of the firehouse, trying to tape up her body. Again,

the captain who has been drinking now, spills a drink over his chest and lights it on fire.

Cutting back to Alexia. It appears that she is about to give birth, but the baby is tearing through her stomach. As we see scraps of metal breaking through her skin. Another thing to kind of note in these scenes is the Alexia’s coloring in these scenes is completely blue and the captains are all red.

The captain is weakly trying to smother the flames on his chest and just kind of breaks down crying. Yeah, he’s going through it.

Alexia walks out of the firehouse naked. It seems like she’s trying to run again, but she realizes that she can’t get that far. Instead. She makes her way to the captain’s room and crawls into bed next to him and the lighting of the room. We can see that she has a bit of a mustache growing a mustache.

Erick: If you will,

Vivi: she is laying on the captain stomach and tells him that she loves him. And he says that he loves her too. She tries to show her love the only way she knows how by kissing him on the mouth, he is repulsed by this and pushes her off. He tries to leave, but she calls after him saying that she is scared and begged him not to leave the captain contemplates leaving. But when he sees her vomit motor oil, he decides to stay and help.

He flips her on her back and tells her to push. He grabs her hands and says, don’t worry. I’m here. You need to push harder, Adrian. This is when she informs him that her name is Alexia. He corrects himself saying push harder, Alexia. She screams and pushes so hard that the scar on her head burst open and it kind of tears along the entire side of her body, all the way to her stomach that already has a bunch of tears on it.

It’s an intense scene. But she delivers the baby. She hears the baby cry and ask how it is before. Unfortunately passing away the captain calls her name and puts the baby down on the bed. He tries to resuscitate her, but it’s no good. The cries of the baby, pull him back to reality. And the captain reaches for some scissors to cut the baby’s umbilical cord.

He lays down next to Alexia holding the baby in his arm, repeating to the infant that he is here. And that there’s no need to worry. It is here where we can see that the baby has a metal spine. It looks cool. It looks scary. It looks cool. The music Blair’s as we get the final title card again.

 We never know the gender of the baby. But I want to believe that it’s a boy because he lost his son.

And this is kind of like his second chance with his, not his son, but eight child.

Erick: I don’t like this depth of Alexia though. I

Vivi: understand it. In the law of horror movies, she is evil and must pay. Right? You do something awful. You pay in horror movies, especially if you’re a woman.

When we first watched it. I said this ending reminds me a lot of Rosemary’s baby, where Rosemary approaches. Her child for the first time. And she’s like, what’s wrong with it? It’s a demon, but we don’t ever see the baby or what happens afterwards.

Yes, Alexia had a terrible father, but not everyone who has a terrible father ends up being a serial killer. She kills people without mercy and without feeling. And yes, she does find this relationship that teaches her how human interaction can be better.

And it’s not always bad, but it doesn’t excuse the terrible things she has done.

Erick: yeah. And I just didn’t really want Alexia to diet.

I think it’d been cool to see where this relationship went and then see her be a better parent to this car, baby.

Vivi: I think this relationship went as far as it could go because the captain could no longer deny that this wasn’t his son and is now getting a second opportunity to be a father with an innocent child, not a murderous child.

I enjoyed this movie more on the second watch the first time. There’s just so much craziness. You can’t get over it, but when you. No, that this is going to happen. You’re kind of studying the characters a little more and trying to understand them a little more.

I don’t know what I would rate this because it’s so wild, you know, like it’s very much unlike any traditional horror I’ve seen, but because of that, I think I really liked it. I’m going to give it a eight out of 10.

Erick: I pictured eight before you even said it, like right. As you were saying, I give it eight and I was like eight.

So I think I give it to Nate also. Yeah, because it’s crazy. has a very heavy drama since to it, definitely comedy throughout the film. And then there’s like thriller aspects to it where it’s like, she’s like enduring this pain with this birth it’s ripping through her skin. There’s like a lot of body horror, but then there’s the drama of like learning what love means.

And I think that makes it powerful, even though it’s like ridiculous, So I think it’s a, it’s an acquired taste. I think 6.6 is definitely too low for

Vivi: it. Oh yeah. Cause there are some scenes that are shot very beautifully, as weird as that is to say for this movie.

And it is interesting that it’s in the horror genre because it just kind of doesn’t fit in any other genre.

Erick: You know what it feels like. It feels like the murder and baby birth of a car is just a side effect to this story

Vivi: the wildest elements of this movie are not the

Erick: focus.

Vivi: It’s just a wild watch.

Do you want to talk about what scared you about this movie?

Erick: He didn’t get scared by anything. He just really loves cars. So I think he wouldn’t have minded all the love for cars that Alexia felt he’d get along with Alexia.

Vivi: You want to tell us about it? Low-key

yeah. This was a weird movie.

Erick: Why’d you eyebrow raise at Adam.

Vivi: What’d you get along with Alexia? She’s a

Erick: murderer. She loves cars. He loves cars. It’s perfect. Crime. It’s perfect

Vivi: crime. Yeah,

well, I hope you wouldn’t get along with a murderer, but okay.

Erick: He would, he wouldn’t even know the difference.

Vivi: You really wouldn’t.

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